12 comments

  • infwhispers 33 minutes ago
    I am the author of the research. Please, feel free to ask me anything. Also, check out the followup research: https://8rank.ai/game/apple-intelligence-knowledge-graph-in-...
    • asdfsa32 18 minutes ago
      Please stop using AI to author your articles. It was really hard to read it despite how interesting the topic was. I dropped halfway because it was just too annoying.
      • infwhispers 15 minutes ago
        My bad. In my defense, only the technical parts are AI. But, thanks for the feedback; I thought I had unsloped it enough...
        • asdfsa32 11 minutes ago
          You can't unslop the slop, you should write as you normally do but use AI to review and reframe it. Don't fix AI; let AI fix your writing.
        • embedding-shape 11 minutes ago
          > In my defense, only the technical parts are AI.

          A defense would be "I just used it for spellchecking" not "I just used it for the meat and the important parts people care about, the rest is mine!"

        • Hamuko 8 minutes ago
          So most of it?
      • amelius 9 minutes ago
        Is this really the top question now?

        Can we add a rule that if you blame someone for using AI, you _also_ have to bring something interesting to the table?

        • ahartmetz 2 minutes ago
          Why? "There is gravel in the food" is a perfectly valid contribution. You don't need to write a compelling story about it.
    • slickytail 29 minutes ago
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  • Ungh 16 minutes ago
    Just spent 30 minutes poking around this. It's horrifying. Absolutely horrifying. All the intelligence and Siri stuff is turned off and blocked on my Mac yet it's still doing this.

    Think this might kick me over the fence finally to Debian.

  • zaptheimpaler 21 minutes ago
    Im still optimistic that Apple will do all this stuff on your device as opposed to in an opaque cloud somewhere you have 0 visibility into. Meta probably has 1000x this system in a data warehouse somewhere. If this info is not leaving the device that’s fine with me.
    • infwhispers 17 minutes ago
      Yes, but having some kind of documentation and way to disable it would have been reasonable. Also, the thing is that it seems that apple intelligence models can query this information. So, you know, everything is a prompt injection away in theory.
  • gattilorenz 41 minutes ago
    Woah. Still on Sequoia with no intention to upgrade, but maybe the next laptop runs Linux.
    • veonik 33 minutes ago
      I'm on Sequoia. Check out ~/Library/IntelligencePlatform
  • code_biologist 26 minutes ago
    Horrifying, but also really interesting as a student of schema design, especially for probabilistic or inferential processes, and graph data.
  • DSpinellis 18 minutes ago
    My understanding is that collecting these data and constructing the knowledge graph violates the European General Data Protection Directive (GDPR). According to the GDPR, personal data (such as an email's sender name and email address) are provided for a specific purpose (in the case of sending an email, for identifying the sender and facilitating email replies). Similarly, a calendar invitation is provided to organize a meeting. Processing that data for a different purpose (as described here, for constructing a knowledge graph) without the subject's explicit consent is unlawful.
  • arcanemachiner 31 minutes ago
    On a long enough timeline, all closed-source software turns into spyware.
  • axismundi 15 minutes ago
    What about iphones?
  • conartist6 55 minutes ago
    I'm going to be very angry if my mac turns out to be doing this
    • infwhispers 38 minutes ago
      We also created a tool to inspect your graph: https://github.com/8rank/iKnow Only tested on recent MacOS versions (last 26s, and early 27s), though
      • veonik 32 minutes ago
        Works on Sequoia too fwiw
        • infwhispers 25 minutes ago
          Ack. For what I could see, specific tables are added / removed across versions. So, some information might not be visualized (e.g., the graph is tiny with few nodes).
      • Hamuko 20 minutes ago
        >iKnow is fully LLM-generated and may not be 100% accurate.

        "We" sounds pretty damn generous if you don't even know whether it works.

  • amelius 38 minutes ago
    Can we start a class action suit?
    • infwhispers 35 minutes ago
      The output stays local on your disk (in theory). So I’m not sure that breaks any rule. But in theory, Apple Intelligence can query it. Again, close to 0 documentation, so it is hard to know how this is consumed.
  • hdb385 8 minutes ago
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