9 comments

  • shever73 15 hours ago
    For some irrational reason this article annoyed me. It came across arrogant with an attempt at being high-brow, and included too much fluff. Describing the founders as "foundering figures" was amusing - I don't know if the image of taking on water and sinking was the author's intent, but I think I've just become guilty of the same thing I've accused the article of.
    • jasonkester 11 hours ago
      I found myself hoping to find signals that it was written by AI, so that I didn't have to feel embarrassed for an actual author.

      That's a first for me.

      • deepspace 10 hours ago
        I came here to say exactly the same thing. The writing is so bad I thought it must be an AI, but then I realized that AIs tend to write much better copy than this drivel.
    • uptownJimmy 13 hours ago
      It's not irrational to be irritated by bad writing.
    • roelschroeven 13 hours ago
      > It came across arrogant with an attempt at being high-brow, and included too much fluff.

      Seems consistent with the name of the website: "Literary Hub"

    • OhMeadhbh 9 hours ago
      it's also wrong. Computer Space and Galaxy Games predated pong. And several non-coin-op games like Nimrod, Tennis for Two and Spacewar! predate pong by decades. A quick trip to the Wikipedia could have revealed this error.

      I really want this to be an AI generated article because it means AI has come a long way in emulating human fallibility.

    • clickety_clack 9 hours ago
      I think that an actionable critique might be that there’s an overuse of “big word” adverbs and adjectives.
    • gwbas1c 13 hours ago
      I would have appreciated some pictures.
    • myko 10 hours ago
      maybe trying to be too clever here but i think he was implying they were in over their heads and just really lucky
    • timcobb 14 hours ago
      "weird pbotons"
  • voidUpdate 16 hours ago
    > "A revolution was televised in 1972"

    Well Tennis for Two was created in 1958 so "the first video game" seems like a stretch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_for_Two

    • JKCalhoun 12 hours ago
      I get it, anyone claiming "first video game" is going to start a bar brawl.

      But pedantry aside, the also rans, even if they were previously rans, are not interesting. They did not spawn million-dollar companies, change the course of entertainment around the world.

      Having huffed though, were I the author I would have anticipated these responses and probably gone with "first wildly successful commercial video game".

      • empressplay 11 hours ago
        You mean like the Magnavox Odyssey, which Bushnell always freely admitted to ripping off?
        • JKCalhoun 1 hour ago
          I never saw the Odyssey—unless it was that one night when I saw something in the window of a closed shop that was the first pong-like video game I had ever seen.

          You're probably right, the Odyssey is probably as good a contender as Pong. But somehow everyone knows "Pong" (and of course Atari).

        • jnaina 1 hour ago
          There was also the IBM Simon, the first smartphone, before the iPhone came about. History tends to remember the product that made the category matter, not the one that technically got there first.
    • mrob 14 hours ago
      Christopher Strachey wrote a version of draughts/checkers for the Manchester Mark 1 that was fully functional in 1952. This is IMO the first video game. Earlier candidates use single-purpose display hardware, which disqualifies them from being "video".

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Strachey

      • voidUpdate 14 hours ago
        If the wikipedia image is accurate, its technically not "displaying" the board, its just in ram. The RAM just happens to be visible. But you get into a lot of technicalities when talking about the "first video game", so its up to interpretation. There was the "Cathode-ray tube amusement device" in 1947 that, by some interpretations could also be the "first video game" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode-ray_tube_amusement_dev...

        I think it is at least safe to say that PONG isn't the first

        • ralferoo 13 hours ago
          That's a pretty weird distinction to make.

          I remember back in the 80s writing a CGA text-mode game (they were quite in vogue at the time), and (as I assume most programmers did) I used the video memory directly as the source of truth about the current state of the level.

          OP's distinction about video being a raster-based signal that you feed into a regular TV-like device, rather than being vector based or hard wired lights seems sensible. As to how that video signal is generated is kind of irrelevant.

          • voidUpdate 13 hours ago
            The manchester mark 1 had a teleprinter as its output, and used a Williams tube as ram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_tube). If the image on wikipedia is accurate, the checkers game only "displayed" itself incidentally, on the Williams tube, rather than actually outputting to the teleprinter. In your game, it would be like writing the current level to internal ram, rather than to the actual video memory. The Williams tube isn't really a TV-like device. It stores data on a CRT, but that CRT isn't visible to the user in general operation, as the read plate covers the "screen". Again, "first video game" is up to a lot of interpretation.

            Also, saying that vector based video makes it not a video game is a little strange, given how common vector graphics were in arcades (eg Asteroids, Tempest, Missile Command) and the Vectrex

            • alnwlsn 13 hours ago
              Not necessary, you can just take an additional CRT and wire it in parallel to one of the Williams tube CRTs to see what's on the screen.

              That's how the Manchester Baby did it (visible in the center of the image here): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Manchest...

            • ralferoo 12 hours ago
              I'm not necessarily making the point that vector graphics based games aren't video games, just arguing against the parent comment against the claim that it wasn't a video game because it was stored in RAM.

              I agree with the assertion that this was a video game because it was using a raster-based CRT for the display, even though the primary purpose of that display was for data storage not display.

          • toast0 11 hours ago
            I don't know why being vector based would disqualify this from being a video game?

            https://www.arcade-museum.com/Videogame/star-wars

            It's from 1983, which disqualifies it from being early, of course.

        • mrob 14 hours ago
          I don't think it's necessary for video RAM to be separate from code RAM. The BBC Micro game "Revs" runs code from the video RAM and sets the palette to make it look like blue sky.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revs_(video_game)

          CRT Amusement Device is IMO disqualified for not using any form of computer.

          • voidUpdate 13 hours ago
            The CRT Amusement Device uses a video display and has game-like elements, you could argue that makes it a "video game" (as opposed to a "computer game")
      • anthk 11 hours ago
        Computers games can have no video at all why the 'display' it's being sent over a serial output to either a display or a printed paper.

        Nethack/Slashem, text adventures, Sokoban, Trek... can be printed one sheet at a time and be totally playable. With Slashem it might be a big waste of paper, but with text adventures you can just reuse the output (obviously) and reduce tons of further typing because you already have the whole scrollback printed back in your hands.

    • Finnucane 13 hours ago
      There was also SpaceWar! from MIT, which Nolan Bushnell turned into a standalone cabinet game. Though I think you could make a case for Pong being the first coin-op video game, a commercial game rather than something that primarily existed in academic labs.
      • empressplay 11 hours ago
        Which would be fine. But the article is written as if Pong was the first video game period, which it clearly wasn't.
  • teddyh 12 hours ago
    Ahoy did a comprehensive video about it: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHQ4WCU1WQc>, and a video is a more appropriate medium for discussing and demonstrating video games.
  • perfobotto 12 hours ago
    So difficult to read ..
  • empressplay 11 hours ago
    > Bushnell based the game's concept on an electronic ping-pong game included on the Magnavox Odyssey, the first home video game console; in response, Magnavox later sued Atari for patent infringement.

    Yeah, not first video game.

  • egiboy 13 hours ago
    Brings up a ‘Do you want to download “sync” on “lithub.com” and “dsp-service.admatic.de”?’ dialog on my iPad.

    Hard pass.

  • anthk 14 hours ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_text-based_computer_ga...

    Star Trek itself, which I own several ports, it's from 1971.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(1971_video_game)

    First computer games predate commercial releases of Pong.

    Most of the console isolated journalists have no idea of 60 and 70's computers at all.

  • riverforest 12 hours ago
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