Things you can do with diodes

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216 points | by zdw 9 hours ago

24 comments

  • dietrichepp 8 hours ago
    Conspicuously absent are some of the analog circuit applications. Here are three of my favorites:

    1. Frequency mixer, used for heterodyning, important in radio, so I hear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_mixer

    2. Log converter, where the output voltage is proportional to the logarithm of the input voltage. https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/374440/log-c...

    3. Diode ring, which provides variable gain, used in analog compressors like the Neve 33609 (I have a clone of the 33609, and I’m very fond of it)

    Think about this: if you have a nonlinear device like a diode, then the dynamic resistance changes depending on the operating point. If you modulate the operating point, you’re modulating the dynamic resistance.

    • nomel 7 hours ago
      4. Varactors! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicap

      Reverse biasing a diode at different levels changes the junction capacitance. Also used in radio, for things like variable filters.

      edit: oh, it's topped pinned comment!

    • summa_tech 5 hours ago
      You could also make a high speed signal sampler.

      https://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/Sampler

    • f1shy 1 hour ago
      With some capacitors you can build a voltage multiplicator

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_multiplier

    • bob1029 7 hours ago
      Zener diodes can be used as the basis for a quantum random number generator.

      https://opg.optica.org/optcon/fulltext.cfm?uri=optcon-1-7-15...

    • hshdhdhehd 8 hours ago
      From my hobbying decades ago there is also the boring old rectifier to convert AC to a wavy DC.
      • kennywinker 2 hours ago
        Those are covered in the article
    • joconne 2 hours ago
      Diodes are also used as a radiation detector in radiotherapy: https://oncologymedicalphysics.com/diode-detectors/
      • 4gotunameagain 1 hour ago
        And particle accelerators ! They mostly detect gamma radiation, and they are used in conjunction with other detectors (ram chips, mosfets)
    • temporallobe 3 hours ago
      Clipping diodes are common in distortion effects as well, especially guitar distortion pedals. Examples include silicon, germanium, LEDs, etc.
    • RossBencina 6 hours ago
      4. Voltage controlled filter, (diode ladder VCF), as used in the Roland TB303
    • normel6 2 hours ago
      PIN diode, a diode used as an AC on/off switch by passing current through it, very useful in RF circuits above 1GHz
    • beckler 6 hours ago
      Kinda interesting to hear about. I have a 500 chassis I’m slowly working on filling. I’m between the RND 535 or 543, and had never heard of a diode bridge comp before looking at the 535.

      What kind of 33609 clone do you have?

      • dietrichepp 4 hours ago
        I have the Heritage HA-609A. I considered going 500-series. Maybe some day in the future. For now, I have two preamps and the HA-609A in a 4U rack, and most of my other gear is in storage. Keeping things light.
    • gblargg 5 hours ago
      Temperature sensor.
      • liffiton 3 hours ago
        I did this once with a diode when I was a baby electrical engineer in college. But of course you need some kind of measurement circuit. So somehow(???) I figured out I could wire a diode into one axis of my analog Gravis joystick--hooked up to my soundcard--and get a fairly accurate and stable measurement of temperature by poking the monostable multivibrator (pretty sure that's what it was called) in the soundcard that would trigger the time it took to drain a set amount of charge through the joystick's x-axis/now-diode.

        Novices who don't have a clue nor know any better come up with the weirdest solutions. I have no clue whatsoever now what inspired me to even try something like that.

    • cozzyd 6 hours ago
      And a square law detector!
  • compumike 3 hours ago
    You can simulate a bunch of these (and edit too) in your browser in CircuitLab:

    Diode half-wave rectifier https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/4da864/

    Diode full-wave (bridge) rectifier https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/f6ex5x/

    Diode turn-off time https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/fwr26m/

    LED with resistor biasing https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/z79rqm/

    Zener diode voltage reference https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/7f3ndq/

    Charge Pump Voltage Doubler https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/24t6h3ypc4e5/

    Diode Cascade Voltage Multiplier https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/mh9d8k/

    (note: I wrote the simulation engine)

    • dr_kiszonka 3 hours ago
      Looks great! Would you have a recommendation for intro materials to help me learn the basics of electronics using CircuitLab? I have a working understanding of signal processing but building an actual circuit without electrocuting myself, not setting my Raspberry Pi on fire, or selecting the right set of components for the simplest DIY project based on spec sheets are a mystery to me.
      • compumike 2 hours ago
        Not sure if it’s a fit for what you’re looking for, but maybe https://ultimateelectronicsbook.com/ (maybe more theoretical than practical).

        I’ve heard good things about “Practical Electronics for Inventors” but haven’t gone through it myself.

  • petermcneeley 5 hours ago
    Btw you can try these out online with a circuit simulator

    https://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html

  • eimrine 1 hour ago
    I have used some regular diodes today as a way to lower the input voltage and this case is not covered. A diode might be more effective than a buck converter because all I wanted was to have a 0.7V lower voltage and the converter can not work in this condition. Zener diode can but it dissipates too much heat for high-current application.
  • djmips 6 hours ago
    And here's another that's always fascinated me -> Diode Ladder Filter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvNNgUl3al0

    • iainctduncan 4 hours ago
      Diode ladder filters are a mainstay of old analogue synths... and sound awesome.
  • sehugg 6 hours ago
    You can put a small ROM on your board with diodes, for example to store bitmaps, and for style points you can even arrange the diodes in the shape of your bitmaps: https://technologizer.com/2011/12/11/computer-space-and-the-...
  • blankx32 3 hours ago
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  • mitthrowaway2 5 hours ago
    You can extend the voltage doubler idea to even higher voltages with the voltage multiplier:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_multiplier

  • Cymen 7 hours ago
    Also missing solar heating from diodes:

    > This topic seems to be broadly misunderstood. It is 100% verified fact by both myself and others (including university researchers) that diode strings can produce more heat (or watt-hours, BTU) from a given solar panel than a bare resistance element.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42XIbHA9Dv0

    • labcomputer 5 hours ago
      TL;DW: Isn't that just because the diode matches the PV array's max power point, assuming they both use the same technology (e.g., silicon)?

      It seems like that depends on the diode string and PV array remaining at approximately the same temperature as heat is dumped into the diode.

    • Retr0id 7 hours ago
      Intriguing, but wouldn't it be even more efficient to just paint something black and let the sun heat it directly?
      • cwillu 6 hours ago
        At the cost of very efficiently radiating that heat back out into space at night.

        Making electricity and then using that electricity to heat something elsewhere lets you insulate, effectively allowing you to create a box that heat energy can only pass one way.

        • jaggederest 4 hours ago
          We have a one-way diode technology for heat, it's called "glass", and it'll bump your efficiency by about 25% versus uncovered flat plates on a still day. More in windy conditions etc, lots of hand waving assumptions about spherical cows in a vacuum etc.
      • b00ty4breakfast 4 hours ago
        You'd need some kind of storage for the heat, something with a large thermal mass that doesn't readily give up it's heat to the surroundings. Sand or water or even big rocks or a thick slab of concrete.
      • Scoundreller 7 hours ago
        depends how hot you want to get something
    • petermcneeley 5 hours ago
      where is this 'extra' heating coming from?
      • labcomputer 5 hours ago
        I suspect (didn't watch) it's just that a diode makes a crude MPPT tracker (since a PV array is just a bunch diodes arranged to collect photons at the P-N junctions). The benchmark is probably "non-variable resistor".
        • Scoundreller 1 hour ago
          my thought was that a diode removes all the current from its voltage drop (aka: why your LED will burn out if it gets uncontrolled current). A resistor will never remove all the current going through it.

          Maybe we're saying the same thing in different ways.

      • nandomrumber 4 hours ago
        From the misleading sound-bites themselves, they’re know to increase conversation metrics.
  • TrackerFF 2 hours ago
    If you’re into audio, they can easily be used for distortion. You “clip” the top of the audio wave. Usually in a asymmetrical way, to get more pleasant sounding distortion.
  • mattclarkdotnet 3 hours ago
    This is excellent but in typical low voltage scenarios (5V or lower) the 600mV diode voltage drop becomes very significant. Simple diode half wave rectification works fine at 100V, but at 3.3V it breaks down.
    • tiniuclx 1 hour ago
      You can also build a rectifier with no voltage drop using an op-amp with some diodes in the feedback loop. But that might be considered cheating :)
    • xxs 2 hours ago
      at that point (and in general) you'd like to use Schottky ones. MOSFETs are an option for low extra efficiency.
  • kazinator 6 hours ago
    Another one: Baker clamp to speed up a transistor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_clamp

    Flyback diode:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode

    A diode can switch off an AC source when a battery is present: see second circuit in accepted answer, introduced by, "Alternatively, you can probably get away with just using some schottky diodes:"

    https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/71753/whats-...

    Also, diodes can be used to provide a controlled discharge path for capacitors when a device is turned off.

    The circuit in this EE StackExchange question shows it:

    https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/471285/capac...

    It has one RC constant when charging and a different RC constant when discharging through the diode.

    Why would you want to charge a capacitor slowly when power is applied to the device, but discharge it fast when power is cut? There are various applications for that.

    For instance, circuits that control some timed behavior, like holding a CPU chip in a reset state at start up while power stabilizes, and then releasing it. You want that circuit to reset itself quickly if power is lost.

    Analog circuits have things like that in them: for instance circuits that mute an audio amplifier on power up for a bunch of milliseconds until a capacitor charges. If the power is cycled, you want that timer to reset itself.

    Another application: Log amp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_amplifier

    This exploits the diode's characteristic V-I exponential curve in amplifier feedback to produce output proportional to the logarithm of the input.

  • iainctduncan 5 hours ago
    I'ma just leave this bad boy here.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNF891FVC6M

    AJH Synth Sonic V Diode Ladder Filter. (IMHO AJH make the best eurorack filters out there..)

  • brucehoult 6 hours ago
    He mentions diode logic and points out the drawback of the limited output current, but doesn't mention the obvious solution of a transistor in voltage-follower configuration.

    I always thought RTL was pretty nifty, and it was used in a lot of early computers. I think it's a lot less fussy of component values than the earlier RTL.

  • uticus 7 hours ago
    > The reason I put “gate” in scare quotes in the illustration is that the circuits are not readily composable to implement more complex digital logic...

    Any good suggestions on resources talking about building complex digital logic out of something more suitable?

    • JKCalhoun 6 hours ago
      They might be referring to RTL (resistor-transistor logic). A transistor in the circuit can maintain the same output current that was input. (A transistor in fact a diode and a half.) RTL was superseded by TTL (transistor-transistor logic) but, hey, the Apollo computers that put astronauts on the Moon used RTL logic.

      You could start with the late Don Lancster's book [1].

      I have a little "breadboard helper" that I am wrapping up (that includes a project manual) for creating RTL circuits and others [2]. (I hope to sell a few.)

      RTL book [1]: https://archive.org/details/RTL_Resistor-Transistor_Logic_Co...

      Prototyping [2]: https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:oxjqlam...

    • cwillu 6 hours ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_family has a list of common families; of particular note is CMOS, which is essentially what modern computing is based on.
    • _whiteCaps_ 4 hours ago
      Bebop To The Boolean Boogie might be useful for you - it's kind of a kids book but the concepts are all well done.
  • jagged-chisel 8 hours ago
    > ... There is a positive charge on the n-side and a negative charge on the p-side.

    How completely unintuitive.

    • Shellban 8 hours ago
      You can blame Benjamin Franklin for that. By the time we figured out the mistake, the standards were set in stone.
      • dietrichepp 7 hours ago
        It would be like this either way.

        The N side has negative charge carriers. It has a positive charge in the depletion region because the charge carriers are missing. Likewise, the P side has positive charge carriers, and when they’re missing, you get a negative charge.

        This is true whether we live in the current universe or live in an alternate universe where we say that electrons have positive charge. The depletion region is where the charge carriers are missing (depleted), so you get the opposite charge of whatever the charge carriers are.

  • wormius 7 hours ago
    I know we're on hacker news, but let's just say I misread the title.
    • jug 24 minutes ago
      I went up 4:30 am today for a flight to Gothenburg, pretty tired and slow... and you and me both.
    • devsda 3 hours ago
      And keeping up with the spirit of HN, we would have hopefully learnt something new either way.
    • tt_dev 7 hours ago
      Was looking for this comment
  • WorldPeas 4 hours ago
  • atan2 5 hours ago
    Nice timing. I just saw pikuma's email with his new course on digital electronics and saw this here.
  • hshdhdhehd 8 hours ago
    Current/voltage chart looks a lot like a RELU.
    • CamperBob2 4 hours ago
      That's exactly why it's called a 'rectified' linear unit! It's a half-wave rectifier. The ReLU function is just what you'd see if you put an (ideal) diode on a curve tracer.
  • skopje 6 hours ago
    forgot adc converter! series diodes tapped at each connection.
  • ada1981 6 hours ago
    I misread diodes as dildos. :/